Nevertheless, the archaelogical evidence strongly supports that such equipment was predominantly worn.īesides, its your butt out there - if you can't afford the armor, don't fight as a hoplite, be a peltast or something! It's true that all hoplites did not wear a Corinthian helmet, greaves, and a breastplate - probably because they had to pay for their equipment. No offense InvaderCanuck, but your attitude seems to be "I know I'm right because I read somewhere that hoplites might have fought naked." It's quite off-putting. It would make sense to atleast have something covering your genetials when everyone is walking around with long spears.The helmets for sure are, I don't know about the robe though - a tunic was much more likely. I believe the spartans in RTW are pretty accurate, the ones in RTR even more so. org people who lurk here, maybe I can dig up my old. Im looking for actual historians and grogs, who may have access to the historical periodicals I am looking for. However, reality is far from the modern portrayal of Hoplites.
Hoplite shield weight full#
Just because you like to think that Hoplites fought with a corinthian helmet, full greaves and a breast plate is fine and dandy. This brings me to my next point.Ħ) This is not a thread for Laymen. The most likely source for such information will be historical periodicals and such. The problem is finding this information in sources that are citable. The fact is, this information is coming out, the problem isnt in reading about it or learning about it. Historians by nature are generally "Old guard".
Hoplite shield weight update#
You do not need to be a rocket scientist to realize the update of historical information is not quick, nor is it forcoming. They fought without armor and only shield helmet and spear, with varying degrees of clothing. The newest ideas suggest Hoplites in the later periods did fight naked, or close to it. See Osprey.ĥ) Comerade Alexeo, the idea that Hoplites portrayed on art as naked to be more heroic is a belief that is ancient. Tunics usually worn, pants were optional. The spear was weilded in an overhand thrusting action. The Hoplon protected the Hoplite, from the knee up to the shoulder. Conical Helmet, Shield, Tunic and Spear, junk hanging out was up to the individual.Ĥ) Eric, the sensitive parts were never exposed. Spartans no longer wore armor as of 500BCE. Armor in the later periods was sacrificed. The faster you can close to your enemy the better, the faster you close and not be exhausted is even more important. When the enemy you are fighting is lightly armored, and moving away from you quickly peppering you with projectiles, armor becomes a death trap.
Lateral movement was not important, rather forward movement. Mobility was possible with the Greek Phalanx, and eventually became key. Suffice to say, the Greek Phalanx had virtually nothing in common with the Macedonian Phalanx. The differences too great to explain here. This is simply untrue.ģ) Freddie, please do not confuse the Macedonian Phalanx with the Greek Phalanx. Osprey dipicts Spartans armorless, ass bared in somecases.Ģ) This is not so much a question of Hoplites fighting naked, but rather the antiquated idea that Hoplites ALWAYS fought with a Corinthian helmet, greaves and a breast plate.
Osprey is probably the most authentic dipictor of historical correctness out there. These shields traditionally belong to Archaic times, but it is not impossible that they survived later.1) I am looking for relevent written sources. These are so-called Boeotian type shields, more oval in shape and having two notches on the side. Some classic hoplite shields differ from this model. The shield, along with the spear, is the Greek equipment par excellence, so the loss of the shield is considered a terrible act of cowardice, condemnable in most Greek cities. Its effectiveness and resistance in the heart of melee is far superior to that of wicker shields, traditionally used by the Persians and Egyptians. Heavy about 6 kg, it is especially useful in group combat, where each soldier relies on those of his comrades to protect himself. This large shield (Diameter: approximately 97 cm) is particular to the Greeks and is one of the tools necessary for the phalanx. The shield is made of wood allows the hoplite to rest it on his left shoulder to relieve his arm, awaiting shock with the enemy. The shield is both an offensive and defensive weapon: it is used to ward off blows but also to push to break down enemy lines. In the back, it has leather and rope restraints. The shield is made of hand painted plywood. It is round and concave in shape and has a cuff (porpax) on its internal face, which allows it to be worn. Hand painted replica of the shield of ancient Greece, Spartan Hoplite, used by the hoplites of the city-states of ancient Greece.
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